I read that Salma Hayek, Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansson all three stated their reasons to dislike the French (or at least, the parisians) : cold, unsmiling, unfriendly and rude, but sometimes also too polite and too uptight. I’d like to explain this to the americans who’d like to understand what is true or not in here1.
First of all, I must say that the three actresses are right, but they should know that nobody will ever hate the French as much as the French already do hate themselves. The French are all at once able to love their country only in a very peculiar case : when the bad remarks come from strangers. And not only we can’t bear bad opinions, we also think we deserve adulatory comments for anything we are. On french TV, for instance, it’s always quite embarrassing to see the show host asking his guests from abroad to say how much they love France, French (both people and language), French food2, French cities, French manners, French humor, etc. The French hate themselves but they want to be loved. Or something of that kind. And they feel very concerned when they are mocked in american talk-shows.
But apart for that national problem of self-esteem (from here it seems America has its own), I can’t say if the French are rude. I’m juste sure that in those matters, they are very different from the Americans, from the British, from the Scandinavians, from the Chinese, from the Japanese, from the Slavians, and even from close neighbour people like the Swiss or the Belgians3.
The first time some genuine americans came to my house — a couple of people of my parent’s age —, I could’t decide if they were on drugs, if they were mad people, or if they were laughing at us. They went to us in our lame and dirty suburban train, running across a quite sad lanscape, to arrive in our ruined house and see our savage garden (okay, I’m exagerating a bit). They seemed mad to me because they were shouting stuff like « marvelous ! », « beautiful ! », « wonderful ! ». It was loud, quite agressive, I felt a bit insulted, in a way. Would I’ve been the guest, I’d have only said something like : « oh, you have a cat », « your flowers don’t seem in a great health » or « you must pay a huge insurance, with that terrible roof ». That would have been more appropriate, honnest and, therefore, polite.
But time passed, and I met other americans. I noticed they where not all alike, depending of their age but also of the city where they came from, but also, I discovered their outrageous politeness was not mockery at all, but not exactly sincere either : it’s just the way they do.
An american friend from a small midwest county told once a saying her mother engraved in her brain : « If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all »4. This saying is quite impossible to understand for a regular French : in the movie Bambi, where it is said by the rabbit Thumper, the french translation is « If you only have mean things to say, then keep your tongue ». It’s quite different, isn’t it ? Another friend, who grew up in San Francisco, once told me that people from his city were all nice, and the umpleasant persons like himself (he’s of course not) had no choice but to flee to France. The Americans are quite positive people, I guess, while the French are dubious, cynical, and negative like if such an attitude could prevent them against som evil eye curse.
What is disturbing when someone from one culture has contacts with someone from a different culture, is how hard it is to understand the communication codes that matter : is a friendship deep or superficial ? Is a compliment sincere or just conventionnal ? Is the person laughing with you or at you ? Is the person depressed or despising ? Is the smile truthful or faked ?
The answer to all these questions comes with experience, but I guess that the French actualy are arrogant assholes. Anyways don’t get impressed, the french are used to criticize a lot, it’s no big deal. And remember we make the best cheese and wine — and that’s why I couldn’t move anywhere else myself.
And some people are nice.
- Please do excuse my english expression, I didn’t really go to school and I didn’t have a chance to practice this language for decades. And it’s not a way of talking. [↩]
- In a little France guide for the american businessmen, I read that Americans where quite disturbed about how endless are french meals, and the fact that people don’t only eat, at a restaurant, but also casually discuss business. In american movies, I already saw people talking business while eating, but it seems the french way (or mediterranean way) is quite different. [↩]
- I mean the ones who speak French… Who feel like beeing extremely different from the people of their country that don’t use French. [↩]
- She also told me once that she felt in love with her French husband in England, admiring how non-conformist he was : cheating in files, beeing quite rude, etc. — but once she came to live in France, she discovered that her sweetheart was not an admirably over confident free mind but just some french guy. [↩]
« If you can’t say something nice, don’t say nothing at all” : this sentence is actualy not possible to be literally translated in French. The words exist, but the idea is meaningless
> vous n’auriez pas légèrement tendance à être de mauvaise foi?? Chez moi la phrase de Bambi se traduit
« Si tu n’as rien de gentil à dire, il vaut mieux te taire » – et c’est une expression courante.
Vous dites également en note que vous n’avez pas pratiqué l’anglais depuis des décennies alors que vous avez traduit il y a 3 ou 4 ans un roman que j’ai vu en librairie > là aussi je ne comprends pas bien…
Bien sûr que je force le trait, j’essaie d’être rigolo. Cependant, vous pouvez voir les sous-titres du DVD de Bambi dans cette page même.
Ensuite, traduire depuis l’anglais, ça consiste avant tout à écrire en Français. Comme lecteur, et sur des forums, etc., je pratique un peu l’anglais mais je ne parle anglais à personne, la dernière fois que je me suis rendu en Grande-Bretagne, c’est en 1986.
I keep finding these explanations based on cultural differences of why the french are not rude and they basically say in many words that the visitor is the rude one or the one who doesn’t understand them and their culture.
The solution is very simple. Visit anywhere else. I’ve I felt welcome as a visitor everywhere except from France.
Couldn’t agree more, Javier!
No – you are all indeed ass-holes!!!!
Just paid 120 Euros for a so-so dinner. My French isn’t very good but my money is. Waiter didn’t even try. The hotel has « International » in it’s name. All international contracts are usually written and signed in English and the dollar is the defining currency. I USED TO LOVE France and the French – no more. Great culture but don’t delude yourselves. You were liberated in WW2 . Don’t forget it. Now don’t call me an ugly American. I’m not. But not another French person will ever be rude to me again without fully understanding what my response is.
Oh, and by the way, I can can cook and a lot of the plates being served are in no way superior to much.
Frank Porter
Yes, even in Canada they are Assholes !
And it’s agreed by immigrant population too. Funny racist clowns.
« Pour le Français, quelqu’un qui sourit tout le temps est ou bien un simplet, ou bien un hypocrite, ou bien un américain »
Paraphrase de quelque chose que j’ai lu chez Jean-Benoît Nadeau, un écrivain québécois qui a écrit deux livres sur la France pour tenter d’expliquer aux Américains, entre autre, pourquoi les Français ne sourient pas.
French are mean and deeply racist people but worse than this they are all depressed and mental. Only depressed people are nasty, happy people are not nasty , france is a depressing country to live because the system is horrible, for everything from buying a car to getting a job to renting a flat, the entire system is awful and such a difficult controlling system has turned the people into a race of mean, selfish, cold, intolerant, inflexible and rude people.
France is no longer even good to visit, the racism and nastiness is ten times more after the attacks and its a really intolerant place now. Btw, I am an Asian (not muslim) and a multi millionaire , I behave respectfully and dress nicely everywhere but still I faced rudeness and hatred in France lately. Sad because it was a country i loved visiting for the food and wine mostly and having a relaxed holiday but now its just too intolerant and hate filled , I cannot go waste money on such hating places. French people are truly horrible and they should come down to earth if they want their country to survive in a globalised world.
Agree. They are rude assholes
I agree, a french woman used me and manipulated me for 5 months, fucking lying actress!
I totally agree with you man. I am working with French people and it is the worse experience in my life.
The french are like they are.You have to lick their asses to get the simplest things. Bonjour Madame, Mousieur. Je veux un pain riche integral.No nous n’avons pas. Dommage,merci et adieau. If they are rude walk away from them. Vouvoyer people avoid them say you are im a hurry. Tutoyer people are more laid back and easy. If they are drunk avoid them. If you are
a pescetarian ore an ovolactovegitarian do not expect any service. If you are a cyclist you can take your bike on the train so you reach the border faster. In reality many tourists pass through france to go to a neighbour country. The god thing with France is nobody really cares about you if you are a foreigner. It is easy most things if you don’t expect them to be friendly or warm. Do your own thing. If you don’t like french food eat chinese or something else or do your own cooking. A lot of french people are not so mainstream so they are less formal and cold.Show them you are independent you don »t care a shit about their politics and their ethno centrical world. You have your own goals. If you are francophile and francophone you will proberbly like France. They are like they are and why bother. I prefer Spain, nice people, not too stressed,tolerant and not too formal and cold.
Fuck the French. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire. Love Spain, Italy, Greece, etc. . . Napoleon was the only noteworthy figure and he was Corsican. DeGaulle was Eisenhowers royal pain in the ass. He commaned NOTHING, and the Vichy did what they wanted.
It’s a Second World country, and English is the language of commerce thoughout the world. Fuck ’em and their fries.
I’m so sorry for everything. I was so arrogant that I had not see how many I can be rude.
I want to apologize. Maybe I will kill myself for permit the world to have less French.
IF it’s true that the French are rude to tourists (especially Americans), perhaps the time is ripe that they be given a « friendly » reminder that the « Yanks » were SO LOVED (in EVERY sense of the word) when they pulled their fat out of TWO fires, and that, if it weren’t for them, their Eiffel Tower would now be a « Kraut in the Box » and they would be speaking Deutsche, NOT French.
Maybe the french are not into anglo-saxon economic hustling? Or huckstering, or endless war mongering? Perhaps, they place much greater value on real books, cultural, art, music, literature rather than sport/enorme breasts/tushies/and celebrity gossip? Perhaps, they think narcopathic phone diddling/fiddling is not as important as real authentic friends? Maybe they have school standards, and manners ? Other than economic hustling and war mongering–what exactly was the american’s purpose of life/narrative?
Si tu étais née dans un pays voisin de la France, tu serais totalement d’accord avec cet article.
Hélas,ta position de défense des francais est simplement due à ton lieu de naissance.
Ne remarque tu pas que dans les commentaires, tous les touristes de tous les pays du monde s’accordent à dire que les francais sont les gens les plus antipathiques qu’ils aient jamais rencontrés?Pourquoi es-tu incapable de te remettre en cause?J’ai personnellement voyagé dans de nombreux pays et rencontré des gens de dizaines de nationalités différentes et j’ai remarqué que ces derniers étaient en générale extrêmement sympathiques.Hélas,le seul peuple civilisé que j’ai trouvé antipathique est de très loin le peuple français.Les critiques faits par des touristes(notamment les américains)à l’égard des français sont totalement objectifs.Pourquoi ces derniers ne se plaignent-t-ils jamais des allemands,des espagnols,des italiens ou des britanniques?.Il s’avère malheureusement que le seul peuple qui dérange en terme de manque de gentillesse est bien le peuple français.Je pense qu’il serait temps de se remettre en cause et d’écouter les plaintes faites par le reste du monde.En effet,je pense que le peuple français doit apprendre à être plus sympathique et plus humble.Une fois cela réglé,de nombreux problèmes disparaiteront.En effet,une société de citoyens sympathiques est aussi une société heureuse et si vous n’êtes pas convaincu de cela,allez visiter les pays scandinaves où la population est l’une plus sympathique du monde et aussi l’une des plus épanouies du monde (comme par hasard).Malheureusement,la population francaise est la plus dépressive du monde civilisé et cela est la conséquence directe de son manque de gentillesse et de sa froideur.
@Saad : Ne remarque tu pas que dans les commentaires, tous les touristes de tous les pays du monde s’accordent à dire que les francais sont les gens les plus antipathiques qu’ils aient jamais rencontrés? –> ceux qui prennent le temps de s’exprimer ici en tout cas.
Le décalage culturel crée des malentendus, mais ceux-ci se dissipent avec le temps. J’ai bien aimé cet article : Why the French don’t show excitement, par une étasunienne. On y lit entre autres le fossé qui sépare les deux cultures en matière d’enthousiasme apparent : American Matt Jenner lived in France for several years and is bilingual. For him, it is not necessarily a matter of the French not being able to express their excitement, but rather that English speakers – and Americans in particular – tend to go overboard. The American public, he says, has been trained “to have a fake, almost cartoonish view on life, in which superficial excitement and false happiness are the norm.” By comparison, he notes, in France, “excitement is typically shown only when it is truly meant.”
Absolutely agree, I visited France so I learned some words, sentences the good morning, good night, thank you etc… never had a problem or a nasty remark is all due to the way tourists behave if you go to visit France learn to say good morning, A, Americans tend to be very loud, they think that the world should speak American English, perhaps is the way I behaved and treated people knowing very well that I was emerging myself into a different culture and I behaved accordingly. My experience was extremely good, I learned some French learned a bit of their culture my attitude was calm, not overwhelmingly friendly never loud respected boundaries and I believe that made a big difference in my experience. Educate yourself about The French culture it will be appreciated .
What you’re basically saying that majority of French people are just paranoid. When someone is just being polite, then he’s mocking you. Take some pills and chill out. Stop being so rude to tourists and people. You’re changing Paris into a f*****g nightmare for the rest of the world. Be f*****g grateful you ignorar lot, tourists pay you damn bills!!!! Appreciate it and show some courtesy and respect.
@Leandro : it might be paranoia, but it’s how it is…
why america Failed By Morris Berman.
It’s so true, I am french, live in France and I hate it, I was lucky to go to North America many times . I havent been outside France since March. When I can i am going to london, I like British people. I can comfirm Frenchs are rude , arrogant especially Parisians, cold ! They mostly don’t like Americans , the richs too, do not speak english loud here they will hate you, i’ve been insulted once, spoke english here. My husband is not native from France . I think Frenchs are the worst people in Europe ( I’ve visited 15 europeans countries). And the last , they are horrible drivers.
This year (2018) was my first, and last visit to Paris. The sites were extraordinary, the people were extraordinarily rude and foul tempered. I paid my respects to my idol Jim Morrison and I’m out.
Some of my loveliest, most welcoming experiences in France have been in the provinces, notably the South snd far from Paris. Closer one gets to Italy and Spain, warmer attitudes become. But overall, compared to the Spaniards and the Italians, the French appear overwhelmingly stuffy, arrogant, distant and judgmental/mocking. Their secret Achilles heel…the French wish that French was still the language of international culture and commerce. It is not. Relatively few French speak excellent English and many are *terrified* of being judged for their poor accent or grammar. So, if a French person is being mocking or belittling, just pretend (slightly mockingly) that you don’t understand a *word* of their English and watch the arrogance melt away. Cheers !
I live in Nice and the French, or rather Nicoise, are some of the most vile people I’ve come across (I’ve lived in 3 other European countries). Their arrogance and stupidity, combined, make them actually quite dangerous, especially when they get behind the wheel of a car. I will be leaving here soon, and won’t be return. Pigs, absolute pigs.
OMG so it’s not only me! I live on the Riviera and goddamn those people are so vile, vicious, backstabbing, bullying cunts, yet they wrap it in smiles, extreme uptightness and « la politesse », all for a show to not to reveal how hideous and crooked they’re inside.
@Matt The Riviera is not the most typical french place.
I don’t like French either.
So uptight, they don’t help you, they cherry pick if you don’t speak correctly their language (even if you have good intentions to learn, they expect perfection from you). God, I dispise them a lot!
They seem all the time moody and negative but I guess they chose their own system with sooo much beuracracy and all.
So this is the outcome maybe, maybe because their system is so hard, it had an impact on the mood of people…
So they reap what they sow.
Fuck them, unless they change their system, they will be more and more miserable. I don’t care, from my part, I can watch them go mad and not do a tiny thing for them to help them. Fuck them.
Hah! Another cheerleader of that orange Nazi maniac open its loud fake mouth! Look at that, the typical, « they don’t share my customs so they must be genocided » mindset. We all saw that with native Americans. Just shoot your schoolmates and lose against Vietnam Iraq and Afghanistan unarmed civilians one more time, just to realize how the entire world wish your pathetic nation to go down
So you think France is a country with no genocide in their history. My friend you forgot about what France do in Africa and Vietnamese way before us. And I’m not gonna talk about the ww2 when your stupid government take the side of the Nazi enemy. France is a old country and they a very pathetic rude and fake people who think they rule the world but it is not. Even strangers in France are better than French people themselves.
@Sean : history is a little more complicated, but ok, colonization is not a great part of the country’s history. I wouldn’t call it genocide, though, it’s more about domination than murder.
About the nazi government : lots of french members of parliament didn’t have the right to vote when Pétain was given full powers. It’s not the french governmement taking side of the ennemy, it’s a french govervnement settled by the nazis – and never elected.
I am Algerian with a double nationality, Algerian and French. I speak French and English fluently.
This is what happened to me when I was working as a taxi driver in Swindon (South West England).
I took 2 Ladies from a pharmaceutical company from Swindon to Heathrow Airport and it was a hot summer day, so I opened the window fully for fresh air and I didn’t see anything in it.
Few minutes into the journey I heard « Sal Arabe » coming from the back seat meaning dirty Arab, a racist expression from French towards north Africans living in France. I turned towards the French lady and asked kindly « why are you racist to me? what did I ever do to be treated like this? », she said I should close the window.
I said to her if she just asked kindly, I would have happily done that, I stopped and asked her to leave my car and call another taxi, the other lady that was with her is English and was apparently ashamed of this behaviour. The French lady insisted that she is not leaving my taxi as she can miss her flight. My reply was « it has been a long time I haven’t heard this racist expression and that was since I left France to live in England and that she confirmed my good reasons for leaving ». To cut a long story short » After calls from the taxi office asking me to forgive and kind words from the English lady » I took her to the airport and I even picked her suitcase for good customer service. The French lady the apologised and said « she was having a bad day », I replied mockingly, « Did you expect me to read you mind and close the window? I am not a mind reader.
Here it is for the French form an Algerian » It was your people who invaded my country and committed genocides and war crimes and it is us Algerians who have good reasons to despise you not the other way round, but most of us don’t as we know how to forgive and move on.
@SlimShady04 : and now the arabization of Algeria is a drama for Amazighs and Jews — who lived there centuries before the arab invasions…
I live in Paris since 2017 and I am looking forward to go back to Ireland, where I lived before. Too racists, arrogants, hypocrites… They hate others and hate themselves.
En France on est tellement libre, qu’on a la liberté d’etre horrible avec tout le monde. (écrit dans un clavier espagnol)
Specialement avec les gent qui viennent des pays que vous avez envahi, exploiter et sucer le sang de leur veines.
@EJ : j’ai un étudiant chinois dont c’était l’hypothèse, il avait dessiné un drapeau bleu blanc rouge déséquilibré (trop de bleu) en expliquant que la Liberté peut être au détriment de la fraternité (la partie rouge, elle, saignait),…
I love France. I love French people, food, and culture. I am American. I feel welcome in your country and I want you to feel welcome in mine!
Any one that has a problem with other people needs to look in the mirror first! Fix your own defects before you expect others to respect you!
« Any one that has a problem with other people needs to look in the mirror first! Fix your own defects before you expect others to respect you! »
Totally agree, but can you tell the French what you just said as apparently, they have problems with many people in the world and need many mirrors to look at themselves.
A special mirror to look at their horrible colonial past, Another one called mirror of gratitude to look at the American and British and remember that they saved their arse in WW2.
@SlimShady04 : Great Britain suffered a lot from WWII. The US, after hesitating between the two sides, took a huge profit from the Europe liberation war… wich killed way less US citizens than covid-19 ! The liberators of Europe were the soviets, and it’s to avoid the USSR to take over Europe, I guess, that the US came here too. Wich is good in a way, but let’s not let think the US just sacrified for the good of the Europeans.
European colonial past is, this is true, a tragedy for many peoples of the world. The construction of the US is not the smallest example of European predation on the world !
All French cheese are white, soft and mild. British cheeses are way more tasty, varied and flavoursome.
@Cheddar C. : it seems to me that you don’t know very well french cheeses, wich is odd, considering your IP adress is located in France (but, as I notice, in britanny, the only quite cheeseless place of France). England has a few nice cheese — Shropshire, some cheddar,… But I wouldn’t say there is more cheese diversity in England than in France !
Why is it so difficult to be polite and kind by the French to non-Francophones/Francophiles?
And YES, the Soviets liberate Europe. The US empire was interested ONLY in money from Europe-Marshall Plan. The « humanitarian » was for show/theatre, the real reason—$$$$ of course, because the US was a business enterprise masquerading as a country. The laughing stock of the world. Money and things was everything to them.